This was originally recorded as an X space on June 27, 2025. You can listen to the interview behind the paywall and I’ve also highlighted some of my key takeaways for your reading pleasure.

Some takeaways from my talk with Joey: eCash has been busy focusing on improving the back-end, but that work has now gotten to a point where the team can start focusing on improving the front-end. He continues to be optimistic about the eCash project and believes Bitcoin ABC has mostly been right in their approach. For example, he compared staked XECx to staked ETH on Lido and how you can unstake your XEC instantly versus having to wait 5 days to do so with the latter. Joey also believes that the rise of AI just as eCash infrastructure is starting to mature could lead to a perfect storm that leads to an eventual explosion of applications that leverage XEC.

As for crypto overall, he still believes in this technology. From his perspective, the global banking system continues to get worse while self-banking with crypto continues to improve. And he feels the only reason crypto is around at all is because there’s value to solving this problem of being forced to rely on trusted third parties to handle our money.

My biggest takeaway was that Joey and the rest of Bitcoin ABC are still very optimistic about the project, and it was great to hear this directly from someone on the team. For many eCash supporters, all we see is the price action and it can feel like there’s no hope, but it’s hard not to get excited when hearing quotes like this:

“Really buckle up, there’s about to be a lot of apps, so get ready, keep your eyes open, try to keep an eye open for what frustrates you about the internet, and trying to transact on the internet, and maybe even tweet that stuff at eCash official, or me personally. We’re going to try and fix that stuff.”

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